Selectmen Dissolve Town’s Negotiating Committee with Kraft Group
Foxborough’s Board of Selectmen, under the advisement of Town Counsel Richard Gelerman, voted to dissolve the town’s negotiating committee with the Kraft Group Tuesday because it was subject to Open Meeting Law.
Negotiations between the town of Foxborough and the Kraft Group regarding future development at Patriot Place have been delayed again following Tuesday’s vote by the Board of Selectmen to dissolve the town’s negotiating committee.
Foxborough Town Counsel Richard Gelerman advised the board to dissolve the committee, which was appointed by selectmen in September, because it was subject to Open Meeting Law.
“Upon direction of Attorney Gelerman, the board rescinded its vote that created the committee with the four people – Town Manager, two selectmen and Town Counsel – and a fifth person being special counsel due to potential Open Meeting Law issues,” said Board of Selectmen chair James DeVellis.
Gelerman explained to the board Tuesday that the negotiating committee, as originally established, was subject to Open Meeting Law because the board appointed members to the committee, which inadvertently created a sub-committee.
“[We] had concerns that during this process [of appointing a negotiating committee] we created a sub-committee, which would be subject to Open Meeting Law,” Gelerman said. “I talked about the issue with [Town Manager Kevin Paicos] and we thought the safest approach would be to discuss the matter with the Attorney General to make sure whatever we did was something they could support.
“I fortunately was able to talk with the Assistant Attorney General [Tuesday afternoon].”
Based on that conversation with the Assistant Attorney General, Gelerman recommended the negotiating committee be dissolved.
“The reason for that is once you get above two or more persons [on the committee] and it’s the selectmen doing the creation of the committee, the argument could be made that that action itself creates a sub-committee of [the Board of Selectmen],” Gelerman said.
Under the current conditions, all negotiations between the committee and the Kraft Group would have to be done in public session to avoid a violation of Open Meeting Law. Gelerman said it would be nearly impossible to effectively negotiate with the Kraft Group in public session and suggested the best way to address the issue would be for selectmen to eliminate the current committee and appoint one person – Paicos – to represent the town's new negotiating committee in negotiations.
“The person that you appoint certainly has the power to select other members of the town as he needs in order to help with negotiations,” said Gelerman. “Frankly, it gets to the same place. … My recommendation is you appoint the town manager. He understands your wishes and I understand your wishes. If we format the group that way it will be and look the same and will function the same. With that, those persons can report back and that won’t be a problem [with Open Meeting Law].”
By appointing just one member to represent the town in negotiations, Gelerman said selectmen and the negotiating committee avoid violating Open Meeting Law.
“The meetings of the person you appoint will not be subject to Open Meeting Law … because the person who creates the group to talk is not the appointing authority,” Gelerman said. “[Paicos] is not a public body like the selectmen [are], therefore his creation of a team to help him does not create a sub-committee because he is not a committee. When the selectmen do it, appoint a committee, [they] are creating a sub-committee.”
Some selectmen, however, were not comfortable with Gelerman’s solution and questioned his advisement.
“I’m unclear on how this change in selection process makes us no longer subject to Open Meeting Law,” said selectman Lorraine Brue, who was a member of the now dissolved negotiating committee. “I just don’t feel comfortable that it passes the smell test because I feel like it’s the same process and same direction going on.”
Gelerman repeated the conversation he had with the AG’s office.
“[The difference is] you are appointing one person,” Gelerman said. “That’s all you’re doing. That person cannot be a sub-committee because it is just a person. … The selecting [of the negotiating committee] is done by the person you are permitting and not by [the selectmen]. That’s the difference.”
Still not convinced, Brue said she would only feel comfortable moving forward with Gelerman’s solution if the AG provided written approval of the process the board had been asked to follow.
“I feel we violated Open Meeting Law the first time and I am clearly not comfortable doing it,” Brue said. “I would be very comfortable doing it with it in writing from the AG’s office.”
Gelerman suggested the board was making the decision more difficult than it needed to be.
“Frankly, and respectively, it is not all that complicated,” Gelerman said. “I’ve advised you to use a method to proceed with negotiations that you’ve already decided to do and based on my opinion and conversation with the Attorney General, it is the safest way to do it and not be in violation of the Open Meeting Law.”
Despite Gelerman’s best efforts to clearly explain the advice he gave selectmen came from his conversation with the AG’s office, the board decided to table Tuesday’s discussion without appointing a negotiating committee member in hopes of gathering more information for the Oct. 30 BOS meeting.
“We were not able to reappoint a new committee as there is further information and discussion that was requested with respect to the Open Meeting Law,” DeVellis said.
Gelerman was tasked with obtaining more information from the AG to present to selectmen at the Oct. 30 meeting.
The action taken by the board Tuesday is just another wrinkle in the town’s ongoing negotiations with the Kraft Group, which over the course of several months has seen two town committees tasked with negotiating future development of Patriot Place dissolve.
“Beginning in July, we participated in several public meetings with the now-dissolved ad hoc committee chaired by [selectman Lynda Walsh] and more recently have met with the committee chaired by selectman [Mark] Sullivan and appointed to negotiate future development proposals for Patriot Place,” said Jeff Cournoyer, spokesman for The Kraft Group in a statement. “We have participated in more than a dozen meetings on this subject with various committees and boards and remain hopeful that we can help the town achieve its long-term water and sewer goals while also attracting new businesses to the town and generating incremental tax dollars. We were surprised and disappointed that the negotiating committee was dissolved on Tuesday night without notice.”
A negotiation session between the Kraft Group and the town’s now dissolved committee was scheduled for 5 p.m. Tuesday but was cancelled to allow Gelerman to speak with the AG’s office and the selectmen to discuss the issue at the BOS meeting. A second negotiating meeting between the town and the Kraft Group was scheduled for Oct. 30, but has also been cancelled because there is no longer a committee the Kraft Group can meet with after the board was unable to appoint a new negotiating committee member.
DeVellis called the snag in negotiations a “small delay” and hopes to have the issue resolved at the Oct. 30 BOS meeting.
“I want to put this on the next agenda so we can move ahead quickly and continue,” DeVellis said. … “The concern [Tuesday among selectmen] was that in order to protect both sides of the bargaining table [in negotiations], some meetings should be in executive session. The previous committee did not have that ability [to meet in executive session because of Open Meeting Law] so we are trying to determine if all meetings should be held in public session and continue as we have started, or address it differently.
"There are arguments to both and that is why there is a small delay. The vote was rescinded only to make the process as transparent and effective as possible and conform to the open meeting laws and not because there were problems with the discussion topic to date.”
Steve C
7:58 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Let me try and understand this. The board of selectman creates a sub committee to oversee and evaluate negotiations with the Kraft group. They then dissolve the committee so that there is no violation of the open meeting law. Thus, now placing one person to work with the Kraft group, behind closed doors. I can not say that I agree with this at all.
Why not just follow the open meeting laws and have the discussions publicly? Is there something taking place in these meetings that the residents of this town may not want to hear?
Once again, Foxborough has eliminated transparency and moved to closed door meetings. This is a disappointing tactic and I see no reason that the town manager should be the individual assigned to this platform.
Jeremie Smith
8:05 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Hi Steve. Thanks for the comments. This was the dilemma among selectmen at the BOS meeting Tuesday. Selectmen will likely decided at the Oct. 30 meeting whether or not to conduct the negotiations in public. The point you make is what selectman Lorraine Brue brought up to Attorney Gelerman at the meeting. Just to clarify - they have not yet appointed Kevin Paicos or any other singular member to a negotiating committee because they want more information on the process. I will have more coming on this very topic Friday morning. Stay tuned.
Steve C
8:28 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Looking forward to the update, Jeremie. Thank you for your insight and for the article's detail. I am looking forward to the talks and to the continued development of the town. Long term sustainable commerce and improvements to the infrastructure, as a whole, are exactly what this town needs.
Lorraine seems to be in touch with the residents of this town and our concerns for transparent negotiations.
Deborah A Stewart
2:47 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Jeremie, thank you so much for your clear and well written articles. Also for doing the leg work for many so that they are able to understand the complexity of this situation.
Steve, I respectfully but do respect your opinion, Lorraine is not in touch with the views of all residents. Many residents are disgusted with the ineffectual and dis-function that is presently on the BOS. It again, appears that the BOS makes a decision, votes on it and if Lorraine (and her followers) do not agree, she is able to bring it back to the board and they re-consider their first vote. Since your posts are very knowledgeable in nature I suggest you reach out to Lynda Walsh and ask her some questions re: town history and her stance on some of these issues. She is always open to hear from people who are concerned about the direction the town is going in. Thanks for your comments and to Jeremie for the good comments.
Dennis Naughton
6:59 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
There seems to be something of a personal nature in play here. People should not be drawn in.
Dennis Naughton
2:44 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Here's the MA Attorney General's guide to the open meeting law for anyone who wants to be familiar with it. THere is a specific section on executive sessions:
http://www.mass.gov/ago/government-resources/open-meeting-law/attorney-generals-open-meeting-law-guide.html
Ken B.
8:54 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I don't see where Ms. Brue has sinister intentions here, or is at fault for the committee being dissolved. I do see prudence being exercised to have tabled it to gather more information and set it up & do it correctly. What's the rush ?
There has to be a reasonable solution that allows executive sessions as needed in order to negotiate something to benefit the Town & KG. Ultimately, we have the final say to vote it up or down at TM.
Steve
9:17 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
“Ultimately, we have the final say to vote it up or down at TM”… Please don’t forget that we have a representative form of government here in Foxboro and very few items actually get to be voted on by the public. Traditionally “big ticket” items have always been taken to a town meeting for a vote but as we have recently seen, with the casino (almost) proposal, some BOS members feel this is no longer necessary. And let’s not forget that Ms. Brue has stated in open session that she thinks the town hall project can be done WITHOUT a town vote.
As Ms. Brue “sinister” intentions, I don’t think that is the case here. D. Stewart was (in my opinion) commenting on Steve C’s comment that “Lorraine seems to be in touch with the residents of this town” which I think is totally incorrect. Ms. Brue most certainly does not represent me any way and, honestly, I do not know anyone that agrees with her on almost any issue.
Deborah A Stewart
12:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Thank you Steve. I perhaps was not clear enough as that is exactly what I meant...she does not represent me and many of my friends. If she has an agenda it is merely to placate those who have embraced her over the last year. Anyone who has been watching that it is not a mutual admiration society here between her and the Krafts. Mr Paicos stated before the "2nd" vote re: the team set up that both parties did not have to like each other but needed to be able to work with each other in the best interest of the town and KG. (my words not his exact words) So it is not a farfetched thought that there just might be a hidden agenda here! Especially when you have a Ms Brue supporter standing up and speaking transparency and in the event that doesn't happen....well there is the SJC. Veiled threat, who knows but it sure shows their mind set. All in all, she is not in touch with with me or with many resident s in town. Boy oh boy, where is Larry Harrington when you need him? Oh that is right he moved on and left all of this dis-function behind! I bet right about now he is thanking his lucky starts!
Dennis Naughton
6:59 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
I want to remind readers of the Patch that this "controversy" about who would represent Foxborough on the Board of Selectmen was resolved by the voters rather resoundingly last May. It is clear here that the writer above was not happy with the oucome of that election, but it is not in the interests of the town for a disappointed voter to resort to what amounts character assassination of one of those who was elected. Let's keep our town debates on a higher plane--focused on the issues.
Ken B.
1:56 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Steve, any changes to PP zoning, new liquor licenses, etc. WILL be voted on at TM, the BOS has no choice in the matter.
The BOS followed the letter of the law in the casino issue, refused to enter negotiations, and were given a CLEAR vote of confidence in May for doing just that.
It seems that some folks have yet to get over it.
Steve
3:45 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Are you sure about the new liquor license needing a town vote? I think you are right about zoning issues.
Not arguing about the casino not coming to Foxboro it was clear that with the information available it would never pass. And yes the BOS followed the letter of the law (and maybe even the spirit of the law) but my only concern is that traditionally, any "big" issues, in Foxboro, have ALWAYS gone to a town wide referendum. Some issues are just too big for 5 volunteers that change almost every three years to make. Its a dangerous precedent that has been made. Watch out for the town hall project next. Just because I disagree with process does not mean I disagreed with the result and 7000 votes to 5000 votes isn't quite the mandate that Casino foes predicted.
Steve C
5:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Deborah and Steve, I was only referring to Lorraine's comment regarding transparency and the request for more information prior to moving forward. NOT with all of her views in general.
Deborah A Stewart
6:03 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
If anyone has not gotten over it...it appears to be those who did not want the casino. It surely isn't those who wanted to hear the info who are threatening going to the SJC, or asking questions about the zoning issues for Rte 1.
Steve, I agree with everything you have stated here today.
Steve C
7:55 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Other Steve and Deborah. You both state that Lorraine doesn't represent you when in fact she most certainly does. I am sure that most of us are not in agreement with the way the BOS has been handling a variety of issues but the fact of the matter is that they do represent us. We need to get more involved and remind them that they won't be around long if they don't start following the majority.
I found it insulting that they made a decision regarding the Casino based on the fact that they thought they were doing what was best for the town. What is best for this town is open communication and leaving the decision making to the people.
I will most certainly no support a new town hall without seeing an itemized estimate that is inclusive of relocation/temporary housing costs.
Dennis Naughton
6:58 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
@Steve C: What you are saying above is about Ms Brue is reasonable. The members of the Board of Selectmen are our representatives. Further, our system of town government requires Town Meeting action in some case, but not others. Also, under state statutes, there are occasions when a town-wide referrendum is required. Examples are Prop 2 1/2 overrides and exemptions, and the more recent law allowing for the creation of 3 casinos. In the latter case, the referrendum was only required on an agreement once reached, not on whether an agreement should or should not be reached. Thus, the Selectmen acted within their authority in deciding not to enter into negotiations for a casino.
Finally, you are right about the importance of open communication. However, I don't understand what you mean about "leaving decision making to the people." That's what happens at elections and at Town Meeting. Do you mean something else?
Ken B.
7:54 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Deb, by definition, those who opposed the casino have nothing to "get over" since it didn't happen. What's the problem "asking questions about the zoning issues for Rte 1." Isn't that part of what the town will be talking with the KG about ?
Steve, I'm not sure, but I don't recall any town wide "referendums"...might you have some specifics ? I do remember TM debt exclusion override votes followed by ballot box votes for the Igo, Ahern, FHS & Library renovations as well as the new police station
Deborah A Stewart
10:21 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Dennis, if anyone had written this about my posts I guess I would given it some serious consideration. However, I had a wonderful belly laugh after reading your replies. These replies coming from you......I will just write "Larry Harrington". I am sure he would love to comment here.
Deborah A Stewart
10:21 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Also Dennis re: last May's elections, I moved forward and was willing to keep an open mind re: the change at the table. However, I just don't see this board as being effective in their governing. JMHO.
Ken B.
10:19 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Additional liquor licenses would be voted on at TM as a home rule petition, just as they were in 2007.
http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2007/04/26/news/news91.txt
The article also ofers some insight as to how we got to where we are today.