I agree let's hear what the plans are before we shoot it down.

Most, not some people are opposed to it. The plan is to have a 24 hour open bar in Foxboro, yea! More DUI's, break-ins =more cops,more emergency personnel, more firemen, more jobs! Just what this town and all of the surrounding towns need.

Amy, I believe that out of the over 10,500 voters in Foxboro there are MORE than a few hundred who want to "hear' the proposal. So it is inaccurate for anyone to use the word "most" when speaking regarding those who have chosen to remain in the background fearing to voice their thoughts. When and if it comes to a ballot question then we will see the "will" of all the people who also are part of the fabric of this town. Thank you Mr Kraft for all that you have done to support the Town, schools, the YMCA and so much more. I too hope we get the chance to listen and then make up our own minds and not be dictated by the "chicken little manta" that we has been played out in the media.

@ Amy, this is another false assumption... not all casinos serve alcohol 24 hours. There are currently liquor license restrictions in MA and Foxboro. I believe Foxboro is currently until 1:00 am. In the negotiations we would have the ability to set the hours we would require them to follow.

Good Morning, I want to thank Mr Kraft for his letter to us the residents of Foxborough. I for one would like to hear and read the proposal from Mr Winn. I beleive in Mr Kraft and after we read it all citizens of Foxborough will be able to say " yes or no ".

@Amy: "most" people I know are not opposed to a casino at this point in time. They may or may not be in the future, but for right now most are willing to listen. I have been to a few high class resort casino's in my day (including The Wynn) and the guests look like the people who dine at Davio's, Luciano's and L'Espalier.
A casino attracts the clientele it wants to attract by regulating the cost of its gambing tables and the prices on its menus. Steve Wynn isn't interested in the guy who used to bet two dollars on greyhounds at Raynham and that guy won't be able to afford to go to a Steve Wynn casino.
The most troubling aspect of this situation is the talk of letting a few decide what is best for me and the rest of the citizens of this town. What country do we live in where a few individuals feel they can decide what is or isn't appropriate for Foxboro? Amy, what if a select few decided they are going to build a ridiculously large and expensive new town hall and you are going to pay much more in taxes and you have no right to vote on the scope of the project. Americans have fought and died to give the rest of us the right to vote... what is being talked about now isn't democracy.
The point of all this is to be educated, learn what a first class resort will REALLY do to the area, and then make an informed decision.

How do you know that that there are "more than a few hundred" people interested in a casino proposal? Are these out of towners? Union guys? People with no children to raise? Have you gone door to door or made phone calls around town? We all know what a casino is, dress it up, downplay it all you want. Ask Foxboro police about the increase in DUI's since Patriot Place opened, facts are facts. Let's us also not forget about people who have not slept at all who sit behind the wheel of a car (an issue that has been overlooked). We all heard what the former mayor of Ledyard, CT said about what happened to the town, I suggest you read it. As the old saying goes, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Can't wait to hear all the well thought out counterpoints.

Perhaps the anti-casino crowd and others want to read the current HuffingtonPost article entitled "Online Gambling Gets Boost from Obama Administration" -article by Jim Wolf and Nicola Leske from December 25, 2011. Perhaps the Massachusetts Attorney General's office would like to review the current law. Article found at: 1) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/25/online-gambling-obama-administration_n_1169543.html. Regarding The Isle of Man/tax haven.

Also, read the article from December 22, 2011 from the Las Vegas Examiner at Examiner.com; 1) http://www.examiner.com/las-vegas-in-national/steve-wynn-considering-casino-options-miami-and-foxborough. Read the local papers in Miami for additonal coverage; such as: 2) http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com/2011/11/10/mega-casino-developer-steve-wynn-wants-put-casino-miami-beach-next-convention-center.

Bob Kraft - in a local Boston area newspaper, you were quoted as wanting a "Life Sciences Center" across from Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts. So you are what, settling for 2nd-Place?

Mr. Kraft. As you said you made an investment of your assets in our community but we made an investment with our lives. We already voted NO on gambling in this community. We know what it is and what comes with it. It really does not make a difference the casino will be a small piece of the overall square footage, as it usually is in other casinos/resorts as well, as contrary to retail or spas, or convention centers, game tables or slots machines do not require that much space to deliver most of casino’s revenue. So comparing it like that is misleading and not sincere on your part. I understand you want to see the casino resort to attract visitors from across the globe to invest into our community, as this will create additional economic stimulus to your local investments as well, but will also bring additional traffic, DUI and crime, to name only few to our home town, a place where we live and raise our children. If you still believe the opportunity will be positive "for all" as you just wrote, then you really must not heard or listen to many of us.

An interesting "Sharon/Patch.com" article that Foxboro residents might want to read and keep in mind, is the current "Opinion" piece by Paul Izzo, article entitled: "Two Big Court Cases Could Affect Presidential Election" - 1) U.S. Supreme Court to decide challenges to health care bill, and 2) Arizona Immigration bill, in 2012.

With those thoughts in mind, then the "Online Gambling Gets Boost from Obama Administration" article, as referred to above...article by: Jim Wolf and Nicola Leske from December 25, 2011 in the HuffingtonPost, should be studied carefully, and whether or not it is even Constititional, as proposed. In which case, it would be helpful to hear from other Attorney General's, all across America.

What is really off-putting to me about Bob Kraft's letter is its paternalistic tone. It's a preachy, talk-down to the citizens of Foxborough. The board of selectmen should kill the casino tonight and start the New Year right.

We all expect that before a vote is brought forward by the BoS, all selectmen would contact their constituency to evaluate the sentiment of most town’s people. If they sense high level of conflict, we would expect that a strong discussion would ensue to reach the best decision for the town.

THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF DEMOCRACY AND THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, OF ALL, TO BE HEARD.

So on September 6th, this board had to vote on a very important issue:

Does Foxboro want to be Gambling town?

The vote was unanimous and the future and character of our town was secured.
Any reasonable person would assume that the process of popular consultation was followed by the board, that all views were considered and respected. After all, we have three small business owners, one high level executive working for a fortune 500 hundred company and one trusted employee of a small business. This board is representing 100% of who we are in Foxboro.

Two days later we heard, through news reported in the Foxboro reporter, that Mr. Harrington had reversed his position and was doing it because he felt that we needed a more open discussion and bringing this item to the public vote, so that all views were heard.

The views of all Foxboro residents.

I for one can understand that a reasonable person can change his or her mind, due to new information or new pressure from a constituent or constituents, that attitude shows flexibility and a sense of fair play.

The logical step would have been to have an open discussion and suggest that a vote be prepared to poll the town about the citizen’s view on the mater.

Two groups that would have been formed, pro casino and contrary to casino, each group organized by selectmen with a different view to present their arguments to all of us during an open meeting.

This groups could have been required to present fact based statistical information, based on past experiences on similar towns, showing the before and after conditions and changes that occurred in those towns.

This information exists and is readily available to substantiate both pro and cons of opening casinos in Foxboro.

Please read top two postings first, size issues, so I divided it into three segments.

Our BoS lead by Mr. Harrington, who met with Mr. Kraft and Mr. Wynn, did not propose that, he proposed to allow the casino proponents to present their plan, over riding the right of the people to decide if we wanted gambling in our town, any gambling, regardless of the percentage of the area dedicated to casino activities.

As we all know, 10% of 10,000 square feet is smaller than 10% of 1 million square feet. If 10% of 10,000 sq feet is too much for us, what makes any one think that we could be interested to listen to a plan with a larger area dedicated to gambling?

Just caught on the facebook discussion group. This is a sorry example of the smear campaign to ruin Bob Kraft's name.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12845876/the-winning-sales-pitch

JACOB:

Do you have proof or is just your opinion?

Jacob commented on the article Letter to the Editor from Robert Kraft: "Casino" Proposal in Foxborough
"A life sciences building will not bring even a tenth of the revenue a Convention center/resort/casino would. I think they saw an oppurtunity to bring in the most revenue for Foxborough with this Wynn deal. Bob Kraft is a philanthropist. He doesn't need more money, he says this. He just wants to give the community and the State a chance to act on something that could generate revenue and put people back to work. Any businessman is going to weigh the advantages of a project before throwing his name behind it. I think he did that fairly and I am sure he is just as anxious to see a proposal as we are. Im interested and I hope other people will atleast wait because I have a feeling there are a lot of people in the middle."
View the updated article and reply to the comment.

Jacob:

I have no issue with your comment as I see that you say “it could generate revenue ....” as a qualifier to the benefits that might come to the town.

I experienced the Foxwoods effects as I used to live in Niantic, 15 miles from the area of the casino, with many friends who have shared their disappointment.

Allowing a small gambling operation is only the beginning, what comes next will be decay of our town and gains for the investors, be it land owners and/or casino operators.

As for Mr. Kraft, I hear he is wonderful man and a very skilled business man, I may trust one but not necessarily the other.

a vote from you for this is essentially an agreement to the "contract" of a casino. Do you think that kraft would sign a contract with out specific details? Then why would you? You're all smarter than that, I hope.

Your town already has a cash cow (the stadium) as compared to most towns. Will taxes now be gone for all residents? No.
That stadium just creates a mess every weekend there is a game. The beer cans are taken out in dump trucks. Casinos are 24hr /7 all in.

Don't get me wrong i love going to a casino and raising hell, and every time I do I"m certainly glad I don't live near one.

Mr Kraft is not our friend. He is the one who tried to blackmail the state of Massachusetts into paying for his stadium or else he would move to Connecticut. He is the one who locked out players like Rob Gronkowski and Wes Welker because he feels he should keep all the profits for himself. This man is all about the money and could care less about the crime that will come with gambling. He wants to line his 1.7 BILLION dollar pockets with more money. He’s just looking to move up in the Forbes 500 list.

Foxboro Born:

Please don't confuse a good business man with a bad man.

I know many good business men who are bad men and many bad business men who are good men, one qualifier does not imply the other, they have their own place.

Mr. Kraft has done many great things and the Kraft Organization has done great deals and I assume some bad ones as well.

Keep it in perspective.

People seem scared to put it to a vote. If people opposed to this are so confident that this is the will of the town, why not let the people vote on it. This is the only way that democracy will really be upheld.

i didn't see the video about making fun of kraft and the casino guy, but if I were to make one I would probably model mine after the Simpsons Monorail episode. Monrail Monorail. Where will the money come from Monorail Monorail. Look it up, very funny yet similar to what is faced here. Especially, funny when, the monorial sales guy leaves town and the monorial never works. The broken down monorail track that he sold the town is left all over the place. Ahh. the simpsons comes true again.
Jacob of course would be Smithers. Eh..... Jacob.

People seem to be getting confused between the promise of high end customers, the great restaurants and possibly Broadway shows and the gamblers, mostly at the bottom of the financial ladder who are the ones that increase the casino’s profits as well the ones that increase all the negative statistics we have seen.

Hector check out the folks that sit and play Keno every day at the Country Store (McDonalds) just north of the proposed site if you want to see a snapshot of some would be visitors. Some real winners in there. Expect many many more of that lot.

Calling Kraft a bad man says more about you than him. You might want to shut your computer off and seek medical help.
We should hear the proposal and vote on it. Just like the stadium

Dear God Dennis, you are calling Mr Kraft "preachy"? I guess you would certainly understand that concept!

Who would the pater be in that case Scott?

Yeah the winners that sit in the country store all day playing Keno are exactly the type that are for this "proposal" to site a mega casino here and ruin the town....Hey your property value will tank, but you'll be saving 200 bucks a year on taxes!

I believe that we should have more faith in the voters in that they can take a critical look at a proposal and make an informed decision. I also believe we are smart enough to see through the chaff of the sales pitch side, PR campaign and the rest of it. I'll leaning toward voting against it but I want to make an informed decision. If someone proposes to invest a billion dollars in our community, i am interested in checking it out further. It feels like some, granted with all good intentions, are trying to protect us from ourselves. I posted under Deborah's comment but it was not directed at you personally.

Interesting results from last night's Foxboro Selectmen's Meeting.

With that in mind, for those interested in a Life Sciences Complex, a start might be: 1) http://www.usalifesciences.com which will route you along to 2) http://www.BioTechGate.com - a Global Database listing the following:

1) 22,191 Companies
2) 23,282 Products
3) 3,109 Technologies
4) 2,884 Financing Rounds
5) 240 Company Valuations
6) 27,093 Management Details
7) 4,918 Licensing Opportunities
8) 1,355 Deals

As their website states, and in part: "Biotechgate has grown significantly in 2011. More than 22,000 company profiles and over 1,300 licensing deals."

Most folks are acting like they want to open a jail for pedophiles in Foxboro. There are worse things they could build here (strip club) than a Wynn casino resort/convention center.

I never thought I'd say this, but if I had to choose between a strip club and a casino, I choose the strip club.

This attitude is what I dont understand, people saying that they would rather have dollar bills thrown at peoples daughters, creating zero revenue for the town, than have a five star resort generating millions of dollars. Talk about morals.

Michael:
I do not take their comments seriously.
Regarding the five star resort, that part is not the problem, the problem is the casino part of their business, which can be transfered to anyone without the town having the option to stop it.
Gambling is gambling, regardless of Wynn's resort or Patriots place.
Do you think that conventions will be made here because of the casino?
Do you think that the casino will be included because of the high rollers?

The casino part of the resort is what generates the revenue. Gambling is here and here to stay. The U.S. government is in discussions for the ability to regulate online gambling on a state by state basis. Gambling is in everyone's backyard. If we dont take advantage of the benefits that Wynn has to offer, someone else probably very near Foxboro will.

Michael, I think you are missing the irony. You see, a casino hosts many more vices, one being prostitution. In many nice hotels, Boston included, working girls sit at the bars, make deals with the bartenders, even give cuts to the concierge. (I know, I worked in a Boston hotel) We all know the variety of conventions they have in Las Vegas. There's the porn expos, the AVN Awards. There is no advantage in having a casino in your neighborhood, just a bad reputation, more crime, traffic, car accidents and a strain on the towns resources. Foxboro's schools are doing quite nicely, thank you. If a casino comes here, well, we all know what will happen to the schools. Do I really need to spell it out? Maybe another Massachusetts city can host a casino and take the "advantages" a casino has to offer. Fall River, New Bedford, or how about Lynn? It would actually give me a reason to go to any of those places, LOL.

Amy, how old are you? Do you actually believe there is no prostitution in Foxboro NOW? Get a grip! Every local watering hole has "ladies of the night" and it is not ALL Rte 1 watering holes. On any given night you can see a few sitting at the local bar at any eating establishment along 140. So my dear....it is here and it is not going anywhere and a resort/casino is NOT going to bring anything we don't already have in town, sex, drugs and rock in roll! I hope all the anti-casino people are paying , as much attention to the sexual exploits and drug use that is going on in the middle school and high school. You want to worry about the effects of a casino on your children...maybe these parents should be paying more attention to who, what and where their kids are at all times. Foxboro, and it kills me to say this as a grandparent is NOT the "pristine" community that we all try to believe it is. We do not live in a Disney movie....and if you think we do....you are in lala land.

Typical response from an angry old lady. I guess you're mad that you will have to continue being bused into Foxwoods with your Mahjong pals. No we don't live in a Disney movie, but it's something to aspire to. Of course there is prostitution here. According to a local cop, it's primarily in the seedy hotels on Route 1 (you see, that is where they rent the rooms by the hour). You are right, a casino won't bring in anything that we don't already have, it will just bring in more of it. Oh, but with a casino, there will be high class call girls for the high rollers, and there will be much nicer rooms right there on premise! I'm not worried about the ill affects a casino might have on my children, I'm a good parent, I am worried about them getting broadsided by a drunk driver or a driver who has been up all night gambling. It happened to me fairly recently, with my child in the car. Seat belts saved our lives. It's good to know that you hang out at those watering holes on 140. Do you also point out women who breastfeed in public? I will look out for you at the Ancient Mariner, LOL.

Amy, Amy, Amy! First let me say I am very sorry that you were recently in a car accident with your child. No one, especially me as a "young" grandmother wants to hear that. I sincerely hope both you and your child were not hurt.
That being said you have given me a huge belly laugh at 4am! Thanks for starting my day off with laughter. Just to make it clear....I don't "hang out" at those watering holes.....but I do go out to eat and you can pretty much tell who are ladies on a night out and who are ladies of the night. That was my only point.
I am neither angry nor stupid just someone who disagrees with some of your points. So if you prefer to call me an "angry old lady" because we disagree on some issues so be it. Just remember one day you too will be "old" but it appears and I could be wrong but it seems like you have the angry part already. Wishing you a happy and safe New Year. It sure would be nice if we all could just get along in 2012!

Read the full article: 1) http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/19/news/companies/wynn_obama/index.htm. Article by Charles Riley @CNN Money from July 19, 2011 and article entitled: "Casino magnate Steve Wynn trashes Obama."

What if the Foxboro Mega Casino/Entertainment Complex comes to town and it tanks? There will be 2 other casino's to choose from that may be easier to get to then Foxboro. What will be next? I know some see this as a golden opportunity but seriously you can not ignore that it might not be successful because of the logistics of having it on route 1.

Amy stop bringing kids into casino issue. Children are not allowed in. Plus I donn't think you would have children walking the streets at night. We all needed to hear both sides pros and cons. I wish the anti casino people would stop the drama and the bullying

Janet:
Bullying is done by those on power against those that have no options.

Bullying is what the Chairman of the Foxboro BoS did throughout this discussion.

The Chairman should have named a Subcommittee to investigate the pros and cons of the casino, based on historic facts and then report their finds to the town.

Mr. Harrington was pushing on us the idea that we had to listen to an INFOMERCIAL, so that we could make an INFOMERCIALLED decision.

As a marketing entity the Wynn organization would present a beautiful building with and ice cube size gambling section, but the ice cube would be the tip of the iceberg, which we would only see later on.

I agree, stop the bullying,

Hector, don't you think in all fairness to those who don't know you that you should explain that you have a bias against Mr Harrington?

Debby:
He almost got his wish when Mr. Paicos suggested that the INFOMERCIAL be done at Patriot Place, WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!!! bring all the people to be influenced into one place, show them what we need to show them and close the deal.

Why don't you discuss my suggestion that he should have form a Subcommittee to explore the good and the bad, by people like Mr. Lachapelle and others he has trusted before?

Why his instance in allowing the Wynn people to present their plan, before the town has approved the concept of GAMBLING?

As you know, Mr. Harrington dislikes those that oppose his views and bullies them with speeches like we heard during his opening statement.

Biased? NO
Sure about the facts? YES

If I remember correctly you were Linda’s last campaign manager? Are you biased?

Janet, when did I mention bringing kids into a casino? I am not sure where you got that from. I mentioned I don't want my kids being hit by drunk drivers or drivers who were up all night gambling. My post clearly implied I was in a car when I was hit. Please read the posts thoroughly before you reply.

@Amy, the bill states that casinos aren't allowed to serve alcohol between 2:00 A.M. and 8:00 A.M., same as everywhere else in Massachusetts. While I understand that drunk driving is always a concern, they will have to follow the same rules as everyother establishment that sells liquor in MA.

Sorry Hector, you are wrong as I worked on Lynda's campaign but I was not the Debi who was her mgr. Sorry, I do agree that it would have been better to appoint a sub committee appointed. Biased me, no! I have disagreed with Lynda's votes in the past and have clearly told her just that but not in a DISRESPECTFUL way. We have agreed to disagree many times, just as I have done with Jim, Mark and Larry. Do I bother to speak to Lorraine to have her hear my feelings on an issue no. I am unsure if I could agree to disagree with her. JMO but you have been after Larry for many, many years and this is just another opportunity for you to throw fuel on your fire. And for the record I have never had Larry bully me when I have differed with him nor give me speeches to try and sway me. You sir have an ax to grind and you just won't let it go. No need to reply as I will do as I have in the past...ignore your rants.

Debby:
You need more facts than what I have listed in the previous post?

My bias, as you call it, is that I have experienced his style of BULLYING, like we have just experienced in our last meeting.

Even after Mark Sullivan voted against Mr. Harrington's agenda, we all heard time and time again that we should bring the INFOMERCIAL into town, so that we could make an INFOMERCIALLED DECISION?

At least I was close to your association with Linda, so we can assume that your bias will be for the casino, this anything that brings us close to it would be of your liking.

Regarding my bias with Mr. Harrington, and your believe that I have a vendetta against him.
As you may recall, it all started with his MISSPEAKS, used to distort the facts against me and others who dared to oppose his views.

SECOND PART OF RESPONSE

Mr. Harrington had many options to correct the record and never did.
We witnessed his attack on Paul Feeney during the meetings, through letters to the editor and never clarifying his statements.
You may remember his attaks on Mr. Gala who is no longer working in the town, you may recall his arguments with Mr. Derenzis, about a $12.50 for a salad that he charged the town, now we are evaluating his replacement.
I drunk the Kool-Aid he serves, but when I paid attention to the ingredients I distanced myself and demanded accountability.
In this case I am asking the questions again:
Why did he forgo the option of a subcommittee?
Why did he insist that we should hear the Wynn proposal, before the town agreed to accept Casino gambling?
Why did he remained obsessed in continuing the discussion after the vote by stating that the vote deprived some citizens of the right to know more?
Why not establish the Subcommittee now and present facts and then we can vote about gambling?
BTW, this positing is not for you, as you already know the facts I am discussing, this post is for the benefit of those participants who do not know the real Mr. Harrington.

Mr. Kraft is an honorable man. He said he would not pursue the casino if the town did not want it. He will live by his word.

Amy All I was saying is the Anti Casino people keep bring the kids in to it. I am sure you watch or have someone watch the kids at the bus stop. Sorry to hear about you car accident. I will say on my street when I am walking with my dog at 6.30AM people drive very fast and we have no casino.

Michael,

Why must everyone focus on alcohol and car accidents. As I stated twice before, people who are up all night gambling, with absolutely no sleep, and then leave angry that they have lost all their money get behind the wheel of a car is horrifying. What other place is open all night long other than a hospital? I was also broadsided in the middle of the day. So, someone could spend all morning from 8:00am until 12:00pm drinking and then get behind the wheel. Unless you are an alcoholic, one just does not sit in an establishment on a Tuesday at 10:00AM for hours drinking. But if you are gambling, you have an excuse, especially if free drinks are provided.

Hector I went to the first meeting at the high school and someone from the anti casino group was yelling at me because I wouldn't sign for them. I grew up in Boston (Brighton)
that never happened we had bullies but not like that. . Mr Harrington is very nice so is Lynda. . Since Foxboro is getting more like city we should maybe be thinking of electing a Mayor instead of having a town manager

From the Milford/Patch/Massachusetts website is this article: "Milford Schools Could Get Casino Money in Senate Bill" article by Mary MacDonald from October 21, 2011 and found at: 1) http://milford-ma.patch.com/articles/milford-schools-could-get-casino-money-in-senate-bill.

Steve, you make it seem like a casino in Foxboro is going to happen. It's not. I will not "pick my poison" At least you admit it is toxic. 5 Star Resort, ha. A casino is a casino.

Janet:
It is possible that the person that yelled at you was not from Foxboro or any small town around us.
Linda is a nice person, I have nothing against her and I trust that she is true to her convictions. Mr. Harrington is a great person, a donor of thousands of dollars to the town, but when you demand transparency from him, as a public servant, he turns on you and there is no longer room for pleasant disagreement.
I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop in his endorsement of the Kraft/Wynn proposal.

It would be interesting to hear from all the pro-casinos supporters, and find out where all of you work, and how you can afford to gamble. For instance, when the current average of extended nursing home care for a loved one is approximately $12,000 per month x 12 months = $144,000 per year; or put another way.....$144,000 x 2 =$288,000.00/Amount Earned Before Tax(es).

Steve Wynn offered Foxboro residents "free childcare" - I noticed that nothing was mentioned about "free Elder Care." Was Steve Wynn and Bob Kraft willing to pick up that expensive tab too? I doubt it. But then again, by the time the elder parent/grandparent/grandfather/grandmother requires "Elder Care and/or Nursing Home Care" - it is beyond their gambling years. And yet, the financial burden oftentimes, not always....but oftentimes, falls on the younger generation/children, to fund their nursing home care/elder care.

So, back to my question above.....where do all the pro-casino people work? And how can you afford to gamble? Or are you simply hoping to pass-off your financial obligations, to the rest of us......to somehow pay for your own elder-care obligations?

I am just plain curious. You must have incredibly high income levels, to afford all of that. And great financials advisors too! Enlighten the Patch readership, so we may learn from you, and get ourselves educated on how to do it.

Mike I wish I could go back to Brighton everyone gets along. People talk things out plus we have a mayor. Also remember foxboro doesn't have horse buggy's on the street any more.

amy It is not just about people with kids it affects everyone. What about families that have one person in the household that works and just lost a job . That person would very happy if they could find work at the casino or the hotel or the event place if it was built. . Like I said keep the kids out of the casino subject.

Hector I just want to hear what they have to say . Just remember you had a race track plus you know that they placed money on the races. You have Keno , lottery, and fairs in town plus bingo and other things. Everyone needs to stop with the drama.

Thanks for your reply Janet Kennedy, appreciate it. Interesting you mention churches in your reply, as they too are also going to be impacted financially by these proposed casinos, especially those churches that have had Bingo.

And when it comes to coupons, yes.....I agree with you there too and I use coupons often. I have even suggested a coupon-program at two libraries.....Mansfield Public Library and The Ames Free Library in Easton. Trial basis, and occasionally they are placed on the bulletin boards....but only with the libraries permission, ahead of time. As a free service to library patrons, in a difficult economy.

It doesn't sound Janet Kennedy like you'll be spending big $$$ at a casino, regardless of location.

Having just read the Milford/Patch/Massachusetts post - article referred to above-1) http://milford-ma.patch.com/articles/milford-schools-could-get-casino-money-in-senate-bill........it appears the casino crowd/pro-casino supporters are now directly linking casino dollars/casino money, to the school systems in Milford, Massachusetts. In which case, that is a direct link to people's children....and educational funding from casinos. That is unfortunate.

I prefer Massachusetts without casinos. A point I have made clear many times before.

It makes me wonder what the engineers are engineering, at our colleges/universities. WPI, MIT, Brown University, OSU.edu -etc.

Amy Please be nice I am older and I am married my hubby has lived in foxboro for 62 years he would like to hear what they have to say. Amy do you work or are you a stay at home mother. ? A lot of people I know bring the lunch to work and use coupons. I lost my job when my company moved and a took a job as a cashier what is wrong with that ? I have a degree in business management . Jobs are very had to come by . Plus I want my own money I donn't want to ask hubby for money most ladies want spend money they make and save it. So please watch what you say about jobs that are not white collar.

Amy, Janet Buck, Jacob (smithers) etc.. This is so hysterical! Especially the mom calling out the older lady w/the majon comment. Ha ha ha. 10% are unemployed or unemployable, 10% live on the other side of town so they'll vote for it as they feel minimal impact, another 10% are union, 10% have no kids, 8% are just stupid with a parts car in their yard and wouldn’t recognize a lowered standard of living. Add that all up, and you get I get 48%, so not enough for the majority and much less than the 66 2/3% needed to overturn the no gambling bylaw. BTW: I live in walpole in one of the nearby neighborhoods and am strongly against this. I'd rather take a bump up in my taxes than put up w/the low lifes that frequent these joints. (trust me I've been there and feel like i need to bath every time I live.

I visited one. Seriously, a casino will be built somewhere. The town that accepts will have higher percentages of the generalizations of the people I mention above. So that town will likely be a less desirable place to live than Foxboro anyway. This will create some jobs, but it and it’s problems do not have to be in our backyard to create them or to have access to them. If you desire to be a blackjack dealer you could get a job there at Suffolk downs. This is a bad deal to have it close by. So is the money received suddenly going to make the Foxboro streets lined with gold? No. More long term problems than the money can solve. Do more cops equal less crime? No, not really just more cops to catch the bad guys after they’ve committed the crime. That doesn’t really help the person that may have just been a victim of that crime.

ONe more, a guy on another post here named Moe, makes the the case for the represnted officals. The state passed this bill without a ballot vote. Those dopes represent the people of massachuseets (unfortuneate for us). Now the selectmen represent us and they've voted. So same thing. This is dead Kraft, move on this isn't a legacy project you'd want now. The project is polluted if you try to push beyond the vote of the selectmen. Your legacty will be one of trying to ram a casino down the throats of foxboro. Good or bad, they're officials made the decision so move on.

If someone leaves a kid in a car to go gamble they should lose custody. When I have been to Foxwoods I have never seen kids in the casino . I have seen kids walking with parents in the hallway but never in the game rooms . You have to be a certain age to go into casino gambling rooms Also the casino's have police they pay for. That is why we need to hear the plan. Ok Happy New Yeat everyone

Janet, I have nothing but respect for the elderly. I have volunteered with the elderly in the past, and hope to do more in the future, when I can find the time. I wonder how old you are? If you are from the generation in the 1950's and 60's that raised a family when a woman could afford to stay home with the kids, have one car, own a home, go on a vacation once or twice a year and have money saved for your 2.5 kids college, you are lucky. College was alot more affordable back then. It's not like that anymore, unfortunately. My grandfather had no college education and worked at Benny's as a salesman. He lived a nice life, with all the aforementioned perks. Honestly, what person can work at Sears and do that now? I understand that there are people that cannot get a job that is white collar. But to encourage job growth that is nothing but low wage, low skilled is not positive, and not good for the long term.

"This is dead Kraft, move on this isn't a legacy project you'd want now. The project is polluted if you try to push beyond the vote of the selectmen. Your legacty will be one of trying to ram a casino down the throats of foxboro. Good or bad, they're officials made the decision so move on" ---
I'm sure he'll heed your advice Jay.

What about the Biotech Park Kraft first proposed? There are many jobs for the non college educated person in that industry. For example, a casino will have Locksmiths and Slot Technicians. Biotech companies have positions in Facilities and Maintenance (maintaining specialized manufacturing and testing equipment) A casino will have Janitorial Staff, so will Biotech companies. A casino will have cooks and sous chefs, Biotech companies will have cafeterias and roach coaches. Local businesses will benefit from the employees working at the Biotech Park. That includes restaurants, supermarkets, shops, hotels, gas stations, etc.... A casino has Shipping and Receiving, a Biotech Park will have Shipping and Receiving. Delivering goods to the Biotech companies will create jobs for truckers just as there would be jobs for truckers to deliver to a casino. A casino will have Surveillance Officers, Biotech companies will have Security Guards. A casino will have Cage Cashiers, Biotech companies will have Administrative Positions.

As for white collar jobs: A casino will have Accountants, Biotech companies will have alot more Accountants than a casino. A casino will have Gaming Manager and Gaming Supervisor jobs, Biotech companies will have all kinds of Supervisor and Management jobs that pay alot more than what a casino would pay. A Wynn "5 Star Resort " casino will have sales consultants selling Cartier, Louis Vuitton, Biotech companies will have Pharmaceutical sales jobs that will pay alot more money. In closing, both will have more jobs than the Foxboro and surrounding towns economy needs and the average pay will be higher for the Biotech jobs.

Kraft/Wynn could easily fund a new small private college, on the land across the street from Gillette Stadium. Or an outcrop of an existing college that wants to expand. Creating full time jobs with a benefit package, health insurance, 403B, tuition remission and tuition reimbursement, gym, pool, basketball court(s), football etc. These jobs would therefore not be outsourced overseas, but instead would remain full time permanent jobs and some part time jobs, local to Foxboro. Shortened commute for those that would work at the small private college.

The Foxboro Company/Invensys, other local companies with an interest level....engineers who could work there, train, take classes....and perhaps create the option of a co-op school, similar to Northeastern University's co-op program. Internships for college students.

Life is full of choices Bob Kraft.

There are so many better choices for the land across from the stadium, if Kraft must do something with it (seeing as how Patriot place is just thriving -rolls eyes.....But seriously a Biotech park would be infinitely more desirable and would actually raise property values. The white trash casino being proposed will decimate property values, and those in Foxboro would save $200 a year on property taxes while watching their houses lose 50-100k in market value....All so two billionaires can line their pockets. Its amazing how deferential some are to Kraft. The guy has been good to Foxboro but lets not go overboard, this isn't about anything but more money and it will ruin a lot of lives if it goes through. Kraft needs to drop this like he promised.

Amy I am not that old. I think you really need to get a grip on life. A lot of people cann't find good jobs any more. Also The Biotech companies have laid off a lot of people. Dave housing market has tanked how many have lost a home in foxboro recently

Janet your house will tank that much more. 24x7 Crime, prostitution, dui accidents, traffic, low income non English speaking clientele and employees do not raise property values, they decimate them. It really isn't all that complicated. Foxboro was doing just fine before this proposal, and it will be just fine when Wynn moves on to prey on some other area with his money grab...

Janet, I need to "get a grip on life" Really? If you're "not that old", then why did you throw out the old card, and I quote you, 'I'm older" Do you know much about the Biotech Industry? Because I do. While the economy has hit alot of industries hard, Biotech was not hit as hard. Yes, the housing market has tanked, but having a casino in town isn't going to help raise the value of our homes, for goodness sake. Please, post something thought provoking, insightful and spelled correctly.

Dave We have the DUI because people do not behave they are dumb asses. We have the traffic. because you live in a area that people use a lot . Crime people needed money they are not working you forget about stealing from stores. The people not speaking english maybe they will work while english speaking will on work for big bucks . . Dave did you go to the meeting at the high school ?

Amy Stop with calling me old I work two jobs . I read the paper the Globe and New York Times. Stop the Bullying Biotech was hit hard. Just remember no two people think a like. . I have a new computer and looking for my spell check . Amy do you work?

Janet, I am not bullying, I am getting frustrated. I never called you old. You implied that you were, read your own posts. You don't read the posts all that thoroughly, do you? Put your reading glasses on. You read The Globe and the Times, we are all impressed. So then why do you need spell check? Biotech was hit as well as many other industries, including the casinos, hello. You have a degree in business management but work as a cashier? Blame the economy, yea, right. Wow. Another thoughtful and educated post.

Amy Please be nice you are being mean. Do you work? I work because I like money and do not want to be depend on anyone. Amy you should watch Suze Orman you might learn a thing or two. People take jobs to earn money. You sound very spoiled like the ones on the OC.

Janet, you are not who you say you are. Just figured it out.

Perhaps "the next Janet" can write in under the fake name of "Janet Bush." That's my sense of humor, over email.

That is also in response to you Amy, in your post above. You seem to have doubts over who this "Janet Kennedy" is. Interesting. I wonder if we have another "Plant" -...ummh.

childish posts

To those who wish to file a complaint or feel as though they have been deliberately mis-led by the pro-casinos supporters who post under "false names" on the Patch, feel free to write and/or call:

Office of the Attorney General
c/o Martha Coakley
Boston Office
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108-1518
Phone: 1.617.727.2200
TTY: 1.617.727.4765
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lmfao

What the hell is wrong with you people . My name is Janet Sullivan Kennedy. Why would I fake the name. Any what is your name

"Janet" is some teenage boy.

Amy I was at that meeting and spoke . Go look at the tape. Stop spreading lies

Look like this thread is done. We had some interesting dialogue and accomplished alot over the past month. It was nice to see that people made their own yard signs after theirs have been stolen. I sure most of us are happy that round one (out of many matches) has been won with this disastrous casino thing. Until the next debate.......Hopefully it won't have plants and people having a bit of fun messing with others. But, that is just a New years wish. Hope 2012 is a great year for everyone!

Amy you need to say sorry to me. What you said was very untrue about me.

Buck who is amy

Amy I am so glad you're on the Anti-casino side. You belong there.

is Janet Sroczynski serious? Tell me she is... it just makes it that much more funny!! I love this group.

Ahh Buck, very funny. I was just making fun of Janet K because her recent posts were a bit juvenile. I know she's a real person. Guys, can't you take a joke?

This wonderful email thread, has the makings of a great sit-com. I do so hope the younger generation is paying attention. Woven with wit and dry humor.

With such high unemployment, it would be great to see something good come of it.

Buck Thanks I still think she should say sorry to me. May be she is really is working with the other casino's making sure it goes in Boston

Janet K, that was uncalled for, you really need to say you're sorry. lol.... I'll introduce myself at the next selectmens meeting and give you a personal apology, I know what you look like....until the next debate

As you plan not only Foxboro's future, but the future of other people elsewhere around the country, understanding the following concept is key. Take the time to read, research. A link to get you started is found here: "Generation X" - 1)http://legalcareers.about.com/od/particetips/a/GenerationX.htm.

"The Generation (X) marks the period of birth decline after the baby boom and is significantly smaller than previous and succeeding generations."

Understanding that concept, is key. Especially when it comes to the labor market. Read further articles on the topic.

If the above link does not come up, try search words: "Generation After Baby Boomers Birth Statistics Job Market" - and the above article by Sally Kane from About.com/legalcareers should pop up from the search engines. In part it states: "Generation X encompasses the 44 to 50 million Americans born between 1965 and 1980. This generation marks the period of birth decline after the baby boom and is significantly smaller than previous and succeeding generations. To reach Sally Kane by email, the article lists her c/o legalcareers.guide@about.com.

Generation X as it relates to the Labor Market.

Janet S Thanks for the interesting reading

"Tivmomof2" - A 2-page formal, written complaint has been filed by me against you, and it remains on file at both police departments, Easton and Tiverton, Rhode Island police departments. You are crazy. The school department in Easton also has a copy of that 2-page written complaint that I filed against you, due to the excessive threats you made against both me, my son, and your criminal stalking behavior that you have engaged in involving my family, including my husband. I suggest you stop. Associate Justice/Judge Melanie Wilk Thunberg in Newport County, Rhode Island also has a copy of my 2-page written complaint that I filed against you, and the Attorney General's Office in Massachusetts, Martha Coakley...will be receiving a copy as well. You are a criminal stalker. And appropriate steps are being taken to find you, and get you the professional help that you need. It is unwise to be threatening people, the way you did, especially me and my son. Where do you work? Real estate in Tiverton, Rhode Island? Oh really? Does your employer know what you are up to? They will. Get yourself professional help.

I noticed you were kicked off the Easton Patch as well.

Janet S, really??

don't accuse someone of being crazy unless you want charges pressed against you for slander.

I was being sarcastic

I can't wrap my head around this one.

Hi went to the meeting tonight Amy never showed up to sorry to me.

The above dialogue is one of the best examples I've seen to demonstrate why representative democracy is better than direct democracy.

Janet K, I guess I am not really sorry ;( Seriously, I've got kids so it's hard to get out. I will be there for any type of vote, or fabulous, dazzling presentation, even if I have to take them with me.

Dennis, you are right. Janet K should run so she can demand apologies when people boo casino advocates at the meetings.

Amy not very nice. Dennis how come you didn't go?Like I have said I just want to hear what they have to say about the Casino. Just remember 3 selectmen many years ago made a mistake about a concert. and a lease .